Thursday, October 19, 2006

Mormons, Mitts, McCains and Marriage

We wanted to post on the big 08 buzz topics for today.

  • a Boston Globe feature about Mitt's possibly too cozy relationship with the Mormon Church (as has been noted before the Globe is known for giving Mitt a hard time)
  • McCain's gay marriage comments that some in the blogosphere have taken way out of context.

We don't have time to give our thoughts right now, but take a look at what the Hotline has to say about both HERE and we'll be back with an update later.

Update: Here's the Coolers take as posted in the comments with a little more context for both.

1. Clearly Romney is going to use Mormon organizations and infrastructure to help boost his campaign. Who wouldn't? It makes complete sense. That is a powerful tool for his nationwide organization. As a second point, clearly, the Boston Globe is not fair to Romney and will continue to be a thorn in his side. If some of the coordination is unethical then we'll believe it when the story expands out of the Globe. Until then it's not a story. At all.

2. McCain phrased his opinion in an awful way. And he's going to have to be more disciplined in the future. The fact is McCain's position on marriage has always been the same though. He's against it and supports the marriage amendment on a state level not a federal level. That's his position and that's basically what he said on hardball- just in a very poorly worded way. Some McCain haters are trying to make this into a bigger deal than it is.

Basically our opinion is the same as the good people at the Hotline who we steal content from everyday!!

18 Comments:

Blogger murphy said...

Ah, yet another instance of the Globe's anti-religious tin foil hat conspiracy theories at work. Notice the absence of any facts or documentation? All they've got is evidence of individual mormons who like Mitt...as if religious affiliation alone is enough to deprive individuals of their rights to political activity in the public square.

Anyone read the recent NY Times articles about tax exemptions for religions? These types of articles have one thing in common:

The spinsters do not want freedom of religion, they want freedom from religion. To get this accomplished, the Left has for decades been stepping towards an imposed state religion of secularism. This is apparent across the laws and constitutional rulings for years.

The frequency of these types of scare tactics and anti-religion bias ought to trouble anyone with a proper understanding of the Constitutional protection offered to religions.

2:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And of course the McCainistas who run this blog posted it. What a shock that they have posted yet another story on Mitt's religion and just below it a fluff piece on thier boy McCain.

Which would explain why this site gets almost as much traffic as Gordon Fisher's.

4:21 PM  
Blogger Caucus Cooler said...

That's hysterical 4:21. We link to the Hotline's 08 Daily Troika, the Drudge Report, and the Des Moines Register and all of a sudden we're biased.

Anyway we like it when you read the Cooler but feel free to skip over us in your afternoon blog trolling.

5:27 PM  
Blogger murphy said...

Cooler,

Let me just clarify that I was not calling you guys the spinsters. This dubious distinction is the Globe's to wallow in.

5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CC: It is obvious to me that the Romney goons just can't stand it when someone talks about his religion.

5:53 PM  
Blogger Caucus Cooler said...

Yeah we we're talking to anon.

At some point we're going to update this post with our spin but here's the short of it.

1. Clearly Romney is going to use Mormon organizations and infrastructure to help boost his campaign. Who wouldn't? It makes complete sense. And clearly, the Boston Globe gives Romney the short end of the stick. Until the story expands out of the Globe. It's not a story.

2. McCain phrased his opinion in an awful way. And he's going to have to be more disciplined in the future. The fact is McCain's position on marriage has always been the same though. Some McCain haters are trying to make this into a bigger deal than it is.

Ok so that wasn't short, we'll probably just paste that reaction into the post.

7:21 PM  
Blogger Caucus Cooler said...

553- If the Romney people don't like bloggers talking about his religion, it's going to be a long 14 months-2 years depending on how far he goes. Just like if the McCain people don't like talk about base problems or the Pataki people don't like talk about abortion and his anemic popularity in New York...we could do this for every candidate...

The fact is Romney's religion is an issue and will continue to be.

7:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cooler - You are absolutely right on Romney, Pataki, and McCain.

McCain is unscripted - thus will say things the base doesn't like - and moderates don't like (only thing in the middle of the raod is road kill).

Romney has ideological problems (abortion, homo-marriage, guns), and more importantly MORMON problems. Mormons are his base - look at his funding in early primary states to his state PAC organizations. He can't simultanously use them as his base - use the church as outlined in teh glob story - and run from the problems associated with being the first potential mormon nominee.

This is just scratching the surface.

Pataki - is well - George Pataki.

9:04 PM  
Anonymous James T McCleave said...

Romney = Perot

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While it is biased reporting, I am glad the Globe brought the BYU professors to light for using their work titles and emails to garner support. Definately a stupid thing to do -- so I'm glad it came out like this so people will just be careful about it from here on out.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

gald to know that McCain didn't say anything new about his acceptance of gay marriage, in fact, "he doesn't have any problem with that". I was unclear that this has been his position all the time.

The cooler staff have confirmed that McCain has felt this way all along and it isn't a change in his position.

That's cool. Hate flip floppers for simple political convenience.

He can't keep calling himself a SoCo and be for gay marriage.

We've learned that McCain wants the states to decide state by state about gay marriage. Is he also that way about Abortion?

12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1239 is an idiot. Way to take McCain's comments out of context and then take the Cooler's comments out of context to fit the opinion that you already had.

Nice job.

3:14 PM  
Anonymous firststate said...

I am a big Romney supporter, but it's clear that McCain just made a verbal error.

When I first saw the quote, I had no idea what he actually said.

4:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They were in context. What are you talking about? He said what he said. he's ok with civil unions. Are you saying he's NOT for civil unions? Why did he say he was ok with that? Saying it was out of context is what D's usually say when they reveal themselves and then say it was out of context.

I never had an opinion on McCain other than he comes across like an out of control angry psycho sometimes, but I'm ok with that. I didn't know his position on gay marriage til he revealed it to us in Ames.

He said it and no one has clarified it. You just want to attack the person who is questioning it.

Ok...now call me a name rather than answer clearly.

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are correct. Big Verbal Error!

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What part was taken out of context?

McCain: "I think that gay marriage should be allowed, if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you want to call it that. I don't have any problem with that, but I do believe in preserving the sanctity of a union between man and woman."

5:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McCain: "I think that gay marriage should be allowed.

Doesn't he bill himself as the Straight Talk Express? Is this straight talk or not?

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cooler: What did you mean by this?

McCain phrased his opinion in an awful way. And he's going to have to be more disciplined in the future.

I think you meant Unartful way, but nonetheless, what is the discipline you recommend? Be less Straight Talk? Be sure to parse your words better? Perhaps he should have said instead: "It depends on what you mean by the phrase gay marriage".

5:17 PM  

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