Wednesday, April 04, 2007

CNN's Political Ticker Blog: Giuliani Stands By Support Of Publicly-Funded Abortions

CNN's Political Blog has the details, but a small sample is below.

"TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told CNN Wednesday he supports public funding for some abortions, a position he advocated as mayor and one that will likely put the GOP presidential candidate at odds with social conservatives in his party.

'Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, and therefore if it's a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected,' Giuliani said in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash in Florida's capital city.

A video clip of the then-mayoral candidate issuing a similar declaration in 1989 in a speech to the 'Women's Coalition' appeared recently on the Internet.

'There must be public funding for abortions for poor women,' Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. 'We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.'

When asked directly Wednesday if he still supported the use of public funding for abortions, Giuliani said 'Yes.'"

43 Comments:

Anonymous Iowa GOP said...

I'm more pissed off about his refusal to commit to participate in the Ames Straw Poll. This makes him no better than McCain when he skipped it in 1999.

3:24 PM  
Blogger murphy said...

Last month Rudy adviser Bill Simon assured conservatives this was not the case:

“On the issue of abortion, [Bill] Simon focused on Giuliani’s recent comments on judges. When pressed — what is a pro-lifer like Simon doing flacking for an abortion-rights advocate? — and asked if he had any assurance that Giuliani wouldn’t support taxpayer-funded abortion as president, Simon told National Review Online, ‘I have an assurance that he is in favor of the Hyde amendment’ (which forbids such taxpayer subsidies).” -- National Review Online, 3/1/07

This isn't the case of a candidate changing his mind on an issue several years ago and sticking to it. This is Giuliani changing his mind between last month and this month, in the middle of a campaign.

Even more troubling is Rudy's reasoning. Constitutional right? Protecting people by funding abortions? Obviously babies aren't people, right?

This is the way things go with Giuliani. Pro-lifers only floated the idea of supporting him when his aides and blogger fans were doing the talking. The more Giuliani opens his mouth, the more he will be seen in every respect as the pro-abortion candidate.

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note to Giuliani (or any other campaign for that matter): There is NO WAY I will vote for a pro-abortion candidate. I don't care if it's Hillary vs. Giuliani, I vote third party or stay home.

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will never be able to vote for Giuliani if he is the Republican nominee. I dont care who the Democrat is. I wll vote third party for president, but i will have to vote b/c i want Tom Harkin OUT!

5:26 PM  
Blogger murphy said...

Oy, the fun never stops with Rudy! From his CNN interview:

A strict constructionist judge can come to either conclusion about Roe against Wade,” he said. “They can look at it and say, ‘Wrongly decided thirty years ago, whatever it is, we’ll over turn it.’ [Or] they can look at it and say, ‘It has been the law for this period of time, therefore we are going to respect the precedent.’

Keep this in mind, dear readers, every time you hear Rudy talk about the strict constructionists justices he plans on appointing. Not only did he appoint 90% liberal democrat judges in NYC, not only is Rudy on record thinking RvW is good constitutional law, but now Rudy is giving himself room to appoint "pro-RvW constructionists".

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The right to bear arms is protected by the constitution. I want a glock, will rudy let the government buy me one?

6:59 PM  
Blogger murphy said...

Good point, 6:59. But it's even worse than that! Will Rudy REQUIRE the government to buy you a glock?

7:31 PM  
Blogger The Real Sporer said...

"I will never be able to vote for Giuliani if he is the Republican nominee. I dont care who the Democrat is. I wll vote third party for president, but i will have to vote b/c i want Tom Harkin OUT!"

Before you vote 3rd Party, ask yourself how likely Justice Bader-Ginsberg and Justice Breyer, or anyone even kind of like them, will provide you with the constitutional jurisprudence that is more to your liking than that proffered by any Republican candidate. Ask yourself that question because that is the choice you are making.

Please do not make perfection the enemy of the good. We cannot endure a Democrat in the Age of Terror.

8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at it this way if we vote for Rudy, McCain or Romney we could get stuck with 8 years of a bad president when you vote for a third party even if the democrat wins you get another shot at the race again in 4 years. Vote your heart! Have some conviction and stand by principal you whining rhinos!

9:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:54

That isn't very bright. Don't you think someone could really mess stuff up in 4 years...just wait. Your attitude only hurts the party...Now is your time to have some conviction and select your choice...if you wait until after the candidate is chosen, that is your fault. Then you should support who is the candidate.

If you are as conservative as you lead others to believe, you should know what the Bible says in Romans 13 about respecting those in authority.

Conservatives who do not vote, do not understand who raises the leaders up in the first place.

10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Conservatives will continue to stay home rather than choose between liberal Democrats and liberal Republicans.

Giuliani is a guaranteed loss in 08.

And I won't put a baby killer in the White House.

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Note to Giuliani (or any other campaign for that matter): There is NO WAY I will vote for a pro-abortion candidate. I don't care if it's Hillary vs. Giuliani, I vote third party or stay home."

Have a nice day. We don't care and we don't want you.

11:20 PM  
Blogger murphy said...

11:20,

Be prepared to tell a significant minority of the GOP to have a nice day. I'm not sure you realize how screwed Republicans will be if we nominate Giuliani, and the third party pro-life ticket innevitably pops up.

A lot of pro-lifers are not loyal to the party. They're loyal to the issues. To spite the GOP when faced with a choice between pro-abortion Hillary and pro-abortion Giuliani, in the hopes of winning in 2012 and not abdicating whatever moral authority the GOP has, is something I'd expect to see from a good 10% of the constituency.

1:18 AM  
Anonymous Nathan Tabor said...

It's the news media who decide who are the frontrunners. They've been pushing McCain, Guiliani and Romney because they know none of them are really conservatives.

Meanwhile they practically ignore real conservatives such as Rep. Duncan Hunter, who is a true conservative. Hopefully, GOP voters will start to look at him as a viable candidate to stop the Hillary-Obama juggernaut.

4:58 AM  
Anonymous the one is here now bow down said...

Sporer:

I don't often disagree with you but here I think you have let your blind allegiance to a Party blind you.

This is not a matter of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Rudy McRomney do not even constitute "good." Either of the three is virtually indistinguishable from the RATS.

7:23 AM  
Anonymous Entourage said...

7:23,

Spoken like a 3rd tier staffer on a sceond tier campaign that was not able to be hired by one of the big three. My advice: A good cry followed by looking square at your pc monitor and then hug it out bitch.

8:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those of you not willing to put a baby killer in the white house will do just that if you stay home. Thanks for considering giving away the presidency to the dems.

9:34 AM  
Anonymous No Surprise said...

Tommy Thompson had a HUGE turnout for his official announcement in Clive. Well over 500 were there.

9:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Were they people hoping to see Fred? I bet that gets frustrating.

9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 9:34:

See, that's just it. You're asking me to get out and vote for the baby killer so that we can keep the baby killer out of the WH. Some choice.

Mabye we should consider nominating someone who isn't a democrat to represent our party. If the Democrat and Republican candidate are indistinguishable on the major issues, that isn't enough of a difference to drive Conservatives to the polls.

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Frank Stallone said...

Frank Stallone told a enthusiastic crowd this morning (about 11,000) people) that he has signed up over 100,000 people each month this year to attend the straw poll for him.

The crowd went wild. Unfortunately the crowd was silenced when Michael Moore appeared from below the buffet table swinging a baseball bat with a nail sticking out of it. He was PISSED!!

He was ranting and raving about needing the microphone and making another movie of "lies".

Moore used the bat to "kneecap" an elderly man with a walker, then slammed 5 pitchers of beef gravy. He managaged to spill very little of the gravy while slurping it down in record time.

He them seized control of the microphone and revealed to the crowd that he has not showered in over a year and suffers from irritable bowl syndrome. He claimed his diet was improving and how he rarely has heart attacks any more.

Moore then sang a 14 minute version of "Kung Foo Fighting" only stopping to get treated for a mild heart attack. He then gave what appeared to be a tearful address "to the academy" to a pizza delivery boy he had forcably tied to a chair. Following that bizzare stunt he speed ate 37 brats dipped in mayonaise and chased that down with a can of what appeared to be old paint.

Moore was on a roll - denouncing the GOP and praising the likes of Castro, Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy and Chavez.

Thankfully officer Rip VanSlasher showed up to toss Moore out of a three-story window to land directly next to a waiting ambulance. Justice was done.

Frank Stallone then finished the evening with a tribute concert - playing all of Blondies greatest hits. His dancing, was as always spectacular.

10:58 AM  
Anonymous No post by the McCooler on this? SHOCKING! said...

Hey Cooler,check out the latest New Hampshire Zogby Poll:

Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:46 a.m. EDT

Zogby: Romney Rockets in New Hampshire Poll

Latest New Hampshire telephone poll shows Romney's support nearly doubles to 25 percent to tie McCain; Giuliani trails at 19 percent.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has rocketed to the top of the field of contenders for the New Hampshire Republican presidential primary crown, running dead even with Arizona Sen. John McCain at 25 percent each, a new Zogby International telephone poll shows.

With Romney’s ascension, the GOP presidential race looks just like the Democratic contest — a three-way battle!

While McCain has held mostly steady at the top of the Republican field in New Hampshire, losing just one point since January, Romney has made the big move up from 13 percent two months ago. Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York who is the toast of Republican primary voters nationally, finds himself in third place in the Granite State at 19 percent support, falling slightly from 20 percent in January to 19 percent this week.

Fred Thompson, the actor and former senator from Tennessee won 6 percent support in this latest survey of 502 likely New Hampshire Republican primary voters, which was conducted April 2-3, 2007, and contains a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points.

Pollster John Zogby: "Score this as a big week for Mitt Romney. These poll numbers, together with the small increase in Iowa and a huge fundraising effort, puts him into the top tier and makes him a major player in the race for the GOP nomination. John McCain’s support stays steady and makes him a contender and gives him a boost in an otherwise lackluster week. Move over, Rudy. You’ve got a real race on your hands!”

Romney has a slight edge over McCain among men — 27 percent support Romney while 25 percent favor McCain. Giuliani gets 19 percent support among men. McCain wins support from 25 percent of women, followed by Romney (23 percent) and Giuliani (18 percent).

McCain is the favored candidate among younger respondents — nearly half (48 percent) of those 18-29 said they would vote for the former war hero-turned senator. There is also strong support for Romney among this age group, as 37 percent said they would support the former Massachusetts governor. Giuliani gets the most support from those age 30 to 49 at (28 percent) and leads the field over all other candidates among this age group.

10:59 AM  
Anonymous Lt. Frank Drebin said...

Whoa! I'm not saying that McCain campaign is dying, but if I were them I wouldn't wait till the last minute to fill out those organ donor cards.

11:05 AM  
Anonymous HawkeyeGOP said...

So my question for The Real Sporer is, at what point does a candidates core beliefs take him outside of the realm of Republicanism.

I understand that Rudy is pro-abortion. And I had almost prepared myself to support a pro-abortion nominee, should the party select one. But Rudy claims to be a fiscal conservative. How can any fiscal conservative support an abortion entitlement?

I am a conservative first and a Republican because I believe that the Republican Party is the one most closely aligned with my beliefs. I also have voted for Jim Leach election after election because he helped maintain a Republican majority and his beliefs were not held by the rest of that majority.

As president Rudy would be the leader of the party and set the course for years to come. While I was OK with having a RINO congressman, I cannot support a RINO president.

Before you ask, "Would you rather have Hillary" — let me answer the question.

I would rather be a minority party with clearly defined principles than the majority party and have our principles erode slowly away to the point where we become indistinguishable from the Dems. You talk about national security — I would like to keep something worth securing.

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank Stallone is glorious!

WAR Frank Stallone!

11:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hawkeyegop- Right on.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is about time we have some pro-choice republicans. now we don't have to give all of the pro-choice votes away.

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, those damn pro-life christians are ruining our party!
War Rudy and Romney.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Zogby: Romney Rockets in New Hampshire Poll said...

Sounds like the McCain camp (4:54) is having a bad week. Instead of blogging you ought to get your ass over to the bank and see if your paycheck clears. Hurry!

5:15 PM  
Anonymous the one is here now bow down said...

I'm kind of torn on Rudy.

Sure the guy is a gun grabbing transvestite who would make America one big haven for illegals as well as trying to socialize aspects of this country; on the other hand, his nomination could spell the death of the Republican Party.

Quite the conundrum here.

6:27 PM  
Blogger The Real Sporer said...

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7:09 PM  
Blogger The Real Sporer said...

I responded to a similar train of argument over on Haweye GOP and I think this whole argument on party loyalty. It equally applies here, together with typo correction.

"... I'm always positive [about our candidates] because we absolutely must define ourselves by the total of our agreement and not by difference of our disagreements. We ultimately must, for reasons below, unify around a nominee.

[No one can] expect to have complete agreement on all issues with our nominee. It isn't going to happen. [For example,] remember, Ronald Reagan is the conservative icon and his immigration policy was far more liberal than Ws, who has expressed a pretty darn liberal immigration policy himself.

Do you realize that Hillary Clinton has spent her entire public life promoting abortion. Do you really think that Rudy [or any other Republican] would actually promote abortion? With a Republican Congress I really doubt if you would even see public funding of abortion-although the abortion industry and their civil servant adherents are masters of bureaucratic diversion of money into abortion clinics.

Same with homosexual marriage/civil union rights. I couldn't disagree more with Rudy on this one. At the same time, I don't see him nominating judges who would "find" them in the Constitution. He says he will seek judges like Roberts, Thomas and Alito and there is no reason to disbelieve him. Especially if we defeat Harkin and have a conservative Republican Senate. Homosexual rights are keystone of the secular socialists, and Hillary is their icon. Remember Janet Reno??

Look at what Democrats want to do on so many other issues. Do you want to surrender to the terrorists, 'cause they do?

Do you want a bilingual society in which traditional American culture, [in which] everything from the removing the Ten Commandments and other representations of our JudeoChristian moral premise to the destruction of the nuclear family (what do you think of GRANDPARENT CHILD CARE REGISTRATION?)unit as our fundamental social premise [demonstrate the beginning and not the end of the liberal agenda?]

There is no one ideological subgroup within the Republican Party that shares more common ideology with the Democrats than with us. NOT A ONE.

However, any one Republican subgroup can cost everyone else the election. In so abstaining you condemn not only yourself, but every one else, to much more and much worse of whatever evil you seek to oppose.

We are opposing a dangerous and, in some ways, malevolent foe in this culture war and we are at a tipping point. The next 20 years are probably the most important than any since we settled the slavery/states rights issue.

Now, our survival as a participatory, small "l" liberal democracy that retains its traditional legal and social premises is quite literally at stake, and I perceive those stakes as enormous.

For better or worse, we Republicans are all that stand between you and that world."

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One note on Sporer's comments.
We are not a democracy. We are a Republic. Difference being, we elect representatives. The other is just mob rule.
Remember the line "and to the Republic, for which it stands"? Yeah, it doesn't say "and to the democracy for which it stands".

12:03 AM  
Anonymous the one is here now bow down said...

Sporer:

Like I said earlier, I don't often disagree with you but on this one, I think you are drinking the bong water.


Do you realize that Hillary Clinton has spent her entire public life promoting abortion. Do you really think that Rudy [or any other Republican] would actually promote abortion?

Did you not read the article? Rudy has spent his entire life promoting abortion. There is NO difference between Rudy and Hitlery on this.

Do you want a bilingual society in which traditional American culture, [in which] everything from the removing the Ten Commandments and other representations of our JudeoChristian moral premise to the destruction of the nuclear family

Rudy ordered the city of New York to NOT COOPERATE with the INS in rounding up illegals. What about his little quote that "Most of Billi Clinton's policies are remarkably similar to most of mine." Did you forget about that one?

He says he will seek judges like Roberts, Thomas and Alito and there is no reason to disbelieve him.

Except for his judicial appointments in NYC, of course.

Homosexual rights are keystone of the secular socialists, and Hillary is their icon. Remember Janet Reno??

And Rudy would be different how?

7:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately for Republicans, this is a cycle with growing pains. The party will spend the better part of this year just trying to figure out how much of the GOP orthodoxy is required to grab the nomination. Problem is, there is no clear explanation of what constitutes the GOP code.

Some will point to the platform; but how many Republicans would actually agree to sit in a room on a Saturday and argue about marginally important minutiae for ten hours? Some will suggest it's evident in the people; but GOP registration is dropping, have we asked some of these former Republicans why they're changing political id?

The 94 majority was built over an extended period of time, it took roughly 18 years and constant dialogue among a variety of constitutencies to pull together that majority. It's gone. The winning coalitions of the 1990s and early 2000 do not exist anymore.

Frankly, if you're one of the players who spent 1994 in Jr. High, the effort associated with getting to 94 in the first place is probably lost on you. It's hard to explain to younger activist steeped in a culture of sorting ideas and people in and out (what you do in a majority) how much work, how much compromise and how inclusive the process needed to be in order to succeed in 94.

Under the 1994 big tent, everyone who wanted to call themselves a "Republican" had a place at the table and no one left that table, because we all understood that in order to be a majority you need everyone plus one. Factionalism took a backseat to the bigger picture - winning.

We're in a primary and the conflict of ideas is to be expected, but this constant theme of "I'll stay home if I don't get my candidate" is a relic of majority thinking. The reality is that everyone who still wants to call themselves a "Republican" needs to be part of this minority in order to rebuild a majority.

The best we can hope for is a presidential nominee who will demonstrate a great work ethic, a willingness to generate compromise within the GOP and run a campaign with an inclusive attituted. It is up to each voter/activist to define a work ethic, figure out the issues for compromise, and ascertain what makes up an inclusive campaign.

11:31 AM  
Anonymous Frank Stallone said...

Last night Frank Stallone held a fund raiser where over 14,000 people attended (all Iowans) - each paying $500 to attend. The fund raiser was held in the beautiful town of Sewal, Iowa.

Just as Frank Stallone finished singing "God Bless America" there was a loud noise. Somehow Bill Clinton made it past security and was standing in the middle of the party firing a gun into the air. He was PISSED! He continued to fire the gun into the air for about 20 minutes since he had plenty of ammo, and continued to reload his weapon. He was also chain-smoking Marlboro Reds and was quite high on something.

Clinton was upset about something and demanded to see a lawyer. Evidently a coffin full of documents implicating Slick and Hillary in countless crimes and scandals surfaced after a flood in Little Rock washed out a cemetery.

Bill was dressed like a fool. He was wearing a silver tube-top, a rainbow clown wig, a pair of pink capri pants for women (clearly several sizes too small), Hello Kitty shoes, and had corn-rows braided into his hair. His behavior was so wacky that even the prostitutes he had hired to accompany him walked out on him.

After the prostitutes left, Bill rushed the stage and seized the microphone. He sang a 26 minute version of "Magic Carpet Ride" - the last 7 minutes of which were in "belch-speak". He then pulled out a note written in crayon on a cocktail napkin and held it up announcing to the stunned audience that he has written a pardon for himself regarding a lifetime of crime and scandal.

Clinton wasn't done yet - he asked the crowd if there were any women who might wish to sleep with him. He then broke a beer bottle over the head of a blind woman (he of course announced he would be pardoning himself for that as well).

Stallone wigged. Frank Stallone broke a chair over Bill Clinton's head and hog-tied Slick with his belt. Officer Rip VanSlasher showed up soon after and maced the former president prior to running him in.

The stunned crowd then cheered "Frank Stallone for President" for over nine hours. All 14,000 of the attendees signed up to attend the straw poll.

1:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Frank, don't you think posting it once on Krusty was enough?

7:13 PM  
Anonymous the future is in our hands. i don't like their version of the future said...

11:31 is very wise. The post is absolutely on target and a recipe for winning. Think of the damage that Hillary could do in 4 years. Think of the damage ANY D could do in 4 years at this juncture in history.

They will run like rats from the islamofascists. Our safety gone. Don't we at least have the safety of america from the taliban in common?

They will cozy up to every dicatator out there because they always do, with Harkin leading the reception team. Then, they will apologize for how awful america is and why it's our fault their countries are so screwed up.

They will do nothing to alleviate our dependence on saudi, iranian, and venezuelan oil because we don't want OUR land to produce our energy. It's ok for THEIR land to produce it, but not ours.

They will let Iran get the bomb because, gee, it's no different than the US having the bomb. Then, Iran will remove Israel "off the face of the earth" and they'll blame Israel for their own bad fate.

We can't just assume it's 4 years and we get another shot with a Dem win. Once in...it's 8 years with a legacy VP ready to go for the next round. We will go further and further into the minority and NO one will get what they want.

Is THIS the future of Republicans?

9:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rudy is TOAST. Period. End of sentence.

He will not win in the South, or in the West. The evangelicals, who are already spooked, will sit on their hands if this pro-gun control, pro-abortion candidate is nominated after hearing this nonsense (which is only the most recent nonsense.)

The GOP will go down to a historic defeat that will make the bloodbath 2006 look like a GOP victory.

All you go-along-get-along folks who say this closeted liberal is the best chance of winning are nuts. Any number of Republicans could do far better than this, and we'd be proud to have as a nominee.

Hell, even McCain would be better.

2:21 PM  
Anonymous the one is here now bow down said...

Does anyone have anything POSITIVE to say about the Republican agenda, rather than just attacking the RATS?

You are all missing the point. In 1994, Gignrich came along and laid out a clearly defined set of (conservative) ideas. Republicans nationwide ran on those ideas and won big. The Senate (headed by Bob Dole) refused to act and the gains made from the Gingrich revolution were short lived.

Only when conservatives (notice I did not say Republicans) run on their ideas and tell people why THEIR ideas are better than the Rats will they win.

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    Mike Huckabee 10-9
    Mitt Romney 3-1
    Fred Thompson 9-1
    John McCain 9-1
    Rudy Giuliani 12-1
    Ron Paul 12-1
    Duncan Hunter 98-1
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