Wednesday, November 01, 2006

If he Will's it

George Will echoes an argument we've made at the Cooler for quite sometime. George Allen's demise is Willard Romney's gain.

"When the current President Bush completes his full second term, it will be the first time since James Madison and James Monroe almost two hundred years ago that back-to-back presidents both served all eight years of two elected terms. Put another way, two of the most divisive figures in this country's history will have commanded the White House for sixteen consecutive years."

Such circumstances should entice many aspirants into the race. Yet with Allen much diminished and perhaps out of contention, and with Rudy Giuliani not yet doing serious groundwork for a national campaign, the Republican field is already down to two. That is good for only one of them: Romney.



25 Comments:

Blogger murphy said...

No doubt McCain sees it this way too...hence all the attacks on Romney from the maverick's supporters in recent months.

7:27 PM  
Blogger winin08 said...

There have been no attacks on Romney by McCain supporters, Mike. The Boston Globe is ecumenical in their punishment of politicians.

However, Romney won't be able to get to the right of McCain, much less other candidates (other than Giuliani, of course). Abortion, gay rights, gun control flipflopping won't get it done.

8:05 PM  
Blogger Jeff Fuller said...

Nice try Winin08--but you must not have been around the block very long if you think that McCain's folks aren't attacking Romney.

Ever heard of Patrick Hynes at Ankle Biting Pundits? He's a paid McCain blogger and was caught bashing Romney before he disclosed that he was paid by McCain.

Evidence:

http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=983

http://beltwayblogroll.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/07/straight_talk_a.php

http://tks.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmVjN2Y1YzEzMDdmZjcwY2I0ZGNhZDEyMzVlMGQ0MmY

MichiganForMcCain is run by McCain Staffers

http://michiganformccain.blogspot.com/

The only other candidate they are consistently attacking is Romney

They even post their anti-Romney stuff to RedState:

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/michiganformccain/2006/sep/24/myth_romney_part_i

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/michiganformccain/2006/oct/27/romney_mormonism_byu_and_the_law

Care to revise your "There have been no attacks on Romney by McCain supporters" comment? You don't want to lose cred here . . . but, based on your track record, it might be too late anyway.

And who is "Mike"?

10:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is your evidence that Michigan for McCain is run by McCain staffers?

I know CJ and he is a student at MSU.

11:30 PM  
Blogger winin08 said...

A reckless charge by Jeff. I've also read several defenses of Romney by Pat Hynes.

5:38 AM  
Blogger Michigan Straight Talk said...

Jeff,

Your extreme ignorance and irresponsibility are astounding. Despite any shred of evidence, you continue to go on Red State and websites, such as this, and make up stories about me working for McCain. Again, I am not a paid staffer by McCain or Straight Talk America. I have made this clear time and time again.

Go here: http://michiganformccain.blogspot.com/ . Look at the big comment on the right side. Hard to miss if you have ever been to my website. I've had that message up since the website's debut.

Now I have never attacked you personally, and demand that you stop the baseless accusations. Debating politicians and elections are one thing, but you continue to cross the line by making personal attacks on my character. How do you expect anyone to consider your stories legitimate when you prove here that you do not care about inconvenient necessities like facts and information? You are destroying both your name and Mitt Romney's name.

What I am is a staunch McCain supporter. I believe that he is the best candidate for the finest party in one of the most important elections of our lifetime. 2008 will no doubt be a hard fought campaign, but one can only pray that the campaigns shy away from your lying and mud-slinging tactics.

MFM

6:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yawn! The strategy that Romney is too liberal is not going work. Willard is just too articulate and has a lot of conservative work in his record that he can easily showcase. So the Romney is "too liberal" will eventually boil down to Romney is "lying" which will be easily be obilerated by Mr. Romney's communication skills and persona.

Mike

6:51 AM  
Blogger Jeff Fuller said...

Methinks y'all doth protest too much . . .

I admit an error in saying that MichiganForMcCain had staffer involvement. I'm sorry. I have been accused of the same thing in the past. However, my correction of others the situation did not sink to the level of sending personal emails with the threatening subject line of "Get the facts right or get out of the blogosphere."

I also want to see his evidence of my "continued personal attacks" on MichiganForMcCain that he claims. His rebuttal is more of a personal attack than anything directed at him. Maybe you could use your own advice.

WinIn08's comment was just plain incorrect and even ignorant. Just thought I'd shed some light on to the fact that McCain people (both paid consultants and grassroots supporters) are consistantly attacking Romney. Us Romney folks don't routinely bash McCain because of respect/politeness . . . the day will come when our "gloves will come off", but it's so early I think it's best to just support your chosen candidate in a positive way and defend them when they are attacked.

7:36 AM  
Blogger winin08 said...

I'm scared...Jeff should go pick on a someone in grade school.

8:47 AM  
Blogger Cancer Man said...

I think all the McCain folk are scared of a Romney candidacy and who can blame them?

9:25 AM  
Blogger winin08 said...

Why would they be afraid of a moderate, one-term governor, who campaigned as a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control Republican, with no foreign policy and/or national security credentials?

Someone else, maybe. Romney . . .

9:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MFM: Fuller has a long history of spouting out accusations about people all over the web. Don't let it bother you - keep fighting the good fight.

9:53 AM  
Blogger Caucus Cooler said...

We are thinking about posting exculsively on Willard from now on. Our hits spike whenever we bring him up.

And all we did was regurgitate George Will's column.

Now get back to your phone calls Cooler minions.

10:24 AM  
Blogger Cancer Man said...

Um, what foriegn policy experience did Clinton or Dubya have again?

The spike is due to alot of paid bloggers who "anonymously" trash him. Apparently the 11th commandment takes a back seat to political opportunism.

I like alot of the candidates because they all have really good bios and messages, but they can't all win the nomination. So instead of tearing everyone down just go out and support whoever you like or in this case are paid to support. We don't need a nominee that is all beat to hell like Bob Dole was in '96 via Forbes.

For me, I like Mitt Romney the most and its very telling that others do too given that I can see his potential rivals are already scared shitless of him getting into the race. However I think alot of these guys are potential winners too. Huckabee just needs a little cash and its off to the races. Frist has a conservative message that can still appeal to centrists and he would do very well in the South as would Huckabee. I like Allen too, but it looks like Iowa will never see him in person again.

God bless the Iowa Caucus!

11:02 AM  
Blogger murphy said...

Whinin08,

Nice try, but you haven't uncovered my well-shrouded and ultra-secret identity yet. Your detective work will need to extend a little further beyond Romney's former consultant Michael Murphy. May I suggest a few places to start?

1. Tim Murphy (Pennsylvania 18th district)
2. Paul Murphy (former Sec State for Northern Ireland)
3. Troy Murphy (power forward for NBA Golden State Warriors)
4. Any of the other million friggin Murphys out there

Don't give up!

11:29 AM  
Blogger murphy said...

Wow Jeff, you really hit a nerve suggesting that MFM was getting paid for something...maybe that's a sore point between him and the maverick.

If suggesting that he works for the maverick is "mud-slinging", I wonder what you'd call it when a paid McCainite directly attacks Romney's religion (Cindy Mosteller), or when a paid McCainite secretely writes blogs about how Romney is organizing a secret blog effort (Patrick Hynes), or when a paid McCainite devotes a good portion of his blog to tearing at Romney (oops, Hynes again).

I'd call it freaked out.
http://www.gopbloggers.org/octoberpollresults.php

11:45 AM  
Blogger winin08 said...

Poor Mike. The lack of facts won't get in the way of a good story.

I've checked reports and Cindy Mosteller is not a paid advisor to McCain.

No reason to lie, Mike. Let's just face off.

12:35 PM  
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12:50 PM  
Blogger Jeff Fuller said...

I know murphy and can tell you 100% that there is no Mike in his name. I can also tell you 100% that he's not a Romney Staffer or even Romney Blogger. He's a biophysicist . . . seriously.

You're starting to look silly by calling him Mike.

Keep it up.

1:39 PM  
Blogger Jeff Fuller said...

Moellester endorsed McCain in 2000 and worked for Straight Talk then. She's not signed on yet this cycle . . . but she will.

Also, Mich4McCain goes by "Straight Talk Michigan" on that blog. Naming yourself after McCain's PAC is bound to get you accusations of being a staffer or paid consultant. Just an FYI. I won't do it again . . . and again, I'm sorry.

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When McCain and Romney are on stage together in the GOP debates, McCain will look like an anti-free-speech and anti-tax-cut "moderate." Romney will look like an attractive, principled conservative. Have any of you ever seen McCain talk about economic and fiscal issues? He hardly knows anything. Better that Romney destroys McCain on fiscal issues than Hillary does in the general election. And for anyone who cares, I'm just a guy: I work for no campaign and I don't blog.

6:14 AM  
Anonymous Paul S said...

After the blood-letting for the Republicans is over next Tuesday, we'll be looking for a leader who can unite the various factions of the GOP. That ain't gonna be McCain or Romney.

That's Mike Huckabee.

8:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey, when I found out people like Hynes actually get paid to blog and comment, I was feeling ripped off! Put some money in my pocket!! And yes, Romneybloggers are on defensive because we're the only ones who have opponents so scared they have Technorati permanently set to "Mitt Romney" so they can go cause a raucus wherever it may be. Got to love those "anonymous" posts, too. Jeff was just trying to call people out on supporting without disclosing . . . I've seen him attacked tons of times and accused of being "paid" -- and he's had full disclosure out since day one.

8:37 AM  
Blogger murphy said...

Likewise, Kristine...all us genuine grassroots supporters are getting ripped off!

...NOT. :)

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul S - Huckabee is unelectable. Anyone who loves pardoning criminals, raising taxes like a democrat and pandering to illegal aliens as much as Huckabee does will NEVER get the support of rank-and-file Republicans.

7:02 AM  

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